169. Making the Trans Conversation Better with Brianna Wu and Kelly Cadigan

“I didn’t transition to replace cis women in sports,” begins Brianna Wu, the straight-shooter who chats with Sarah and Nancy this week. “I transitioned because I wanted to get along.” Joined by Kelly Cadigan, who co-hosts their new podcast “Dollcast,” both women talk openly about the frustration of watching the trans civil rights conversation hijacked by extremists, pitting people against each other. We discuss how the election may have been affected by the trans issue, the challenge of integrating trans women into sports, and what a more sane approach to dealing with trans minors might look like.

Also discussed:

• The newest member of Sarah’s family

• Gamergate

• Brianna just wants to have lunch uptown

• Vaginoplasty, actually rare among trans women

• “You do not want to know me without HRT”

• The nonbinary phenomenon

• “I don’t have any delusions I’m a biological woman, just admit I’m a kind of woman, albeit a weird one.”

• 15 is terrible for every girl!

• “It’s dangerous for me to out myself.”

• Who drank the Zionism super-serum?

Plus, the conundrum of granting grace, the hope that we’ve reached a reset on conversations, the sexiness of Seth Moulton, and more!