208. Katie Herzog on Drinking Herself Sober, Being Canceled, and "Getting Free"

Nancy and Sarah are joined by Katie Herzog, co-host of the Blocked and Reported podcast and author of an up-and-coming book on quitting booze, Drink Yourself Sober. They talk about getting canceled, navigating public backlash, and why Katie’s drinking tale is different from Sarah’s — she used Naltrexone, an opioid-blocker, to help quit. They discuss AA, the meaning of the word “alcoholic,” the nature of addiction, and why there’s no wrong way to get sober.

Also on tap:

• Jesse Singal, analyzed

• If you walk into the online arena, expect to get gored

• Helen Lewis, epic BARpod co-host

• Dan Savage is brilliant, but can he help us understand “freak offs”? (Please?)

• The Onion was once sold for $10,000?

• Andy Mills, top-tier man!

• Missing Twitter, pre-Elon

• Do NOT type your name into BlueSky

• When Katie realized she had a drinking problem

• “Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn’t done so yet”

• Sarah breastfed until what age?

• The Sinclair method

• Fun drunk v. sleepy drunk

• The tragic death of Jonathan Joss

• Sarah was Katie’s AA sensitivity reader

• Naltrexone, the Ozempic of booze

• Sarah learns a new phrase: “pharmacological extinction”

• “My life is monumentally better than when I was drinking”

• AA founder Bill Wilson = weirder than you think

• Writing a recovery book is a weird form of insurance

• GETTING FREE

• That Salon personal essay Katie can’t get off the Internet

• Piled on by Milo Yiannapoulos, oh the irony

• Katie is fine being cringe

• RIP, William Langewiesche

  

  RIP William Langewiesche, the “Steve McQueen” of journalism