How did San Francisco fall apart? We tackle the Chesa Boudin recall and the problem of too much compassion. Also: A Washington Post firing, and Teal Swan gets a bang-up finale on The Deep End
I finally had time to sit down on my deck with a couple of forty four cent cigarettes and several cups of coffee to listen this morning. While so much of the discourse has become about right and wrong (I’m right! You’re wrong!) it’s really nice to listen to a nuanced discussion.
That’s alright. I’ll live vicariously through you. Both the smoking and being in my beloved home state. I smoked in Texas for 20 years. I remember it well ;) You need one of these… it will at least keep your makeup from melting off! https://a.co/4lnovsh
Chesa Boudin wasn’t’t merely some “progressive” with new ideas. He was a wealthy, entitled child of two convicted murderers(both convicted of murdering a Brinks guard and two cops as part of the insane Weatherman War Against America).
Having never been a prosecutor, and with millions from like minded plutocratic dilettantes, he invoked “reform” and”progressive,” when he really meant advocating for the killers, rapists, and sociopaths that make up most of the work in ANY DA’s office (I know, I worked in five prosecution offices in California and Oregon, as the elected DA in my last post for 25 years).
Sarah yes!!! YES!!! That crazy monster murdered his fish!!! He’s lucky she didn’t get Juliana. I thought she was going to get the water treatment in the pool. They need to change their names and hide. I only watched this show because you gals talked about it and I started off saying “different strokes for different folks” regarding the warmed over self-help hoo-haa. But that woman is evil. I don’t think she has feelings at all. She struck me as Charles Manson-esque. As in “hey Weird Eyes and Bathtub Gal, it’d be a shame if something happened to that traitorous loser’s fish...”
I can usually work up sympathy even for the worst sort but I think she’s flat out evil and sociopathic. She kept poor Blake on her string (in love with her) for 18 years and then cut him loose like old cheese the first time he didn’t make her the undisputed center of his universe. I feel sorry for all of those poor “parishioners” in her orbit but not her. I never saw a single moment of genuine emotion from her except the venom - that was real.
Thanks for keeping me company this morning on my walk!
Also, agree with you Nancy, I’m so sad for poor Felicia. She had a full on mental health crisis in front of the world for a week and nary a loved one gave her pie and took her phone. That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.
I love this podcast. Couple of things I want to say:
Sarah mentions getting hassled for an Atlantic article recently, so I went back and read it. I assume it was The Things I’m Afraid to Write About? I really can’t see any legitimate reason to criticize that article. She expressed how she felt honestly and eloquently and anyone who hated on it is just looking for excuses to be outraged online.
Speaking of, that whole Sonmez debacle is so depressing, but not that surprising. Do you think Twitter is a way bigger presence in the lives of media people than it is for most folks? I don’t know if it’s just me, but for the people I’m around, Twitter barely exists, and yet careers are being destroyed willy-nilly over...what?
I can see how Twitter can suck you in, but it seems like nothing but bad things can happen there. Did anyone ever wake up and say, “thank goodness I tweeted my opinion about that thing last night”? And yet it draws us in over and over again.
Sorry to ramble, but I appreciate the chance to talk about a show I enjoy so much!
You'd be surprised how much offense people took to that Atlantic article. But Twitter is an offense-finding machine. "Looking for excuses to be outraged online" seems like a fair description of culture these days. Glad to have you at our party. -- SH
So refreshing to hear some nimble and ready emotional intelligence, unbridled enthusiasm, curiosity, heart, and warm voices developing a rhythm together. One highlight is the vignetted love triangle with San Francisco.
Also Teal Swan? I used to watch her videos a few years back mainly bc she’s so beautiful and seemed sure of herself to the point of smiling at weird moments.
The Boudin segment provides good texture and dimension to his ousting.
And the thing about letting some other sap host the current hate/rage/virtue mob and just stepping out into the sun instead, for example, was 👌🏼.
Worth the time - he mentions that he discussed the possibility that Teal Swan might not like the final product, and she went ahead with it. According to him, she is unapologetic about her approach and has no self-doubt. That's certainly what you see in the documentary.
So Im not into the Teal Swan thing as a topic, however I will say I still enjoy listening to you 2 talk like to life long best buds about any topic. Reminds me of my morning coffee talks with my best friend when I visit home. Also, not a significant topic, but - though I too am an AAer, I’d never heard the “Rejection is God’s protection” slogan, but I know the sentiment well. I’ve been telling my wife for many years. I’m so flipping glad all those previous relationships I wanted so bad and fought for so hard did not work out, because I wouldn’t have found her. I know, I know - ridiculously sappy. Anyway- that line struck a very meaningful chord for me. Lastly (not from this episode) looks like y’all are gonna have an opportunity for Heard-Depp redux.
I gotta praise the show notes yet again. They are sending me down rabbit holes I didn't know about. And also my book queue is getting longer..
Nancy's "Us and Them" -- the dateline is from 1999, which is in the internet era, yes, but that is a long time ago in Internet time. How fortunate that it's online today for me to read, instead of behind a paywall or buried in print or on microfilm in a few libraries here and there. Worth a read especially after hearing Nancy talk about it here.
"Hit on the Head" -- gosh, this is good writing. Oh man. A link at the end of this story led me to "Every woman should travel alone" - another good story, with a reference to "Wild" by Cheryl Strayed. Sarah, perhaps a podcast where you talk about that road trip would be worthwhile. I love road trips. I've mentioned that a friend recommended this book and I see I listened to it via Audible.com back in 2012. I've downloaded that for a re-listen. And I've already been re-listening to "To the Bridge", which was my introduction to Nancy thanks to an interview with Katherine Mangu-Ward, I think? I see I got that in summer of 2018.
And I already have had "Blackout" queued up on Audible for a few weeks, but not yet started. And now I just purchased and downloaded "The Snakehead", so I have a lot of audiobook listening coming up. I do love audiobooks.
Teal Swan - "The Deep End" -- I am not going to watch that and I appreciate you watching it so I don't have to. I have to wonder -- as a birdwatcher -- how and where did she get that bird-heavy name? Lots of different swans and there are several common varieties of teal ducks.
Holy Moly. Teal Swan. And your discussion of The Deep End and this woman and all of the characters involved has been mind blowing. A fantastic dive into all of it. I first heard of teal swan a few years back when my daughter was listening to her YouTubes which now terrifies me a little bit and makes me wonder if she ( my daughter) is still listening and if she knows about this documentary.
I lived in SF for 9 years before moving to NYC in 2020. Loved my life there, btw. Just wanted a change. Anyway, I visited some friends there this past October and was punched in the back of the head on BART by an older gentleman who seemed to be homeless and was muttering to himself. It was maybe 9pm and I had just gotten off my flight. I didn’t want to pay the $100 surging Uber ride into the city, and thought it should still be a fairly safe hour to take public transit. Did I call the cops or anyone? No. I honestly just wanted to get out of there and not cause trouble. He went to sleep on a bench after a couple of us told him hitting was not ok. But now I realize I should have done something more. What if he hurt someone else after me and I could have helped prevented it? The strangest thing was this train car was fairly crowded and while people asked if I was ok, we all went back to our phones within five minutes.
Ditto to Nancy on SJ activists having the ability to destroy, but having yet to prove they can produce anything worthwhile. Walked the dog this morning in my local park in Minneapolis while listening to this and there was a sticker that said “Burn Precincts 2024” stuck to a lightpost... Like OK we all get it you love to destroy shit and burn things down- now what are you going to build?! Woodworking, knitting, baking, gardening- all great meaning makers that don’t involve noxious sloganeering or copping a felony, folks!
What a fantastic bingo surprise of a podcast. I ate the whole thing.
Yay!
I finally had time to sit down on my deck with a couple of forty four cent cigarettes and several cups of coffee to listen this morning. While so much of the discourse has become about right and wrong (I’m right! You’re wrong!) it’s really nice to listen to a nuanced discussion.
Ahhhh cigarettes… I miss you old friends. Nothing has ever made me want to take smoking back up more than this podcast.
Sorry about that one, friend. It's a nightmare to keep this dumb habit going during the Texas summer, if that makes you feel any better. -- SH
That’s alright. I’ll live vicariously through you. Both the smoking and being in my beloved home state. I smoked in Texas for 20 years. I remember it well ;) You need one of these… it will at least keep your makeup from melting off! https://a.co/4lnovsh
Chesa Boudin wasn’t’t merely some “progressive” with new ideas. He was a wealthy, entitled child of two convicted murderers(both convicted of murdering a Brinks guard and two cops as part of the insane Weatherman War Against America).
Having never been a prosecutor, and with millions from like minded plutocratic dilettantes, he invoked “reform” and”progressive,” when he really meant advocating for the killers, rapists, and sociopaths that make up most of the work in ANY DA’s office (I know, I worked in five prosecution offices in California and Oregon, as the elected DA in my last post for 25 years).
San Fransico, being smaller, was first.
Next up; GASCONE in LA and Schmidt in Portland.
Sarah yes!!! YES!!! That crazy monster murdered his fish!!! He’s lucky she didn’t get Juliana. I thought she was going to get the water treatment in the pool. They need to change their names and hide. I only watched this show because you gals talked about it and I started off saying “different strokes for different folks” regarding the warmed over self-help hoo-haa. But that woman is evil. I don’t think she has feelings at all. She struck me as Charles Manson-esque. As in “hey Weird Eyes and Bathtub Gal, it’d be a shame if something happened to that traitorous loser’s fish...”
I can usually work up sympathy even for the worst sort but I think she’s flat out evil and sociopathic. She kept poor Blake on her string (in love with her) for 18 years and then cut him loose like old cheese the first time he didn’t make her the undisputed center of his universe. I feel sorry for all of those poor “parishioners” in her orbit but not her. I never saw a single moment of genuine emotion from her except the venom - that was real.
Thanks for keeping me company this morning on my walk!
Also, agree with you Nancy, I’m so sad for poor Felicia. She had a full on mental health crisis in front of the world for a week and nary a loved one gave her pie and took her phone. That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.
❤️❤️
I love this podcast. Couple of things I want to say:
Sarah mentions getting hassled for an Atlantic article recently, so I went back and read it. I assume it was The Things I’m Afraid to Write About? I really can’t see any legitimate reason to criticize that article. She expressed how she felt honestly and eloquently and anyone who hated on it is just looking for excuses to be outraged online.
Speaking of, that whole Sonmez debacle is so depressing, but not that surprising. Do you think Twitter is a way bigger presence in the lives of media people than it is for most folks? I don’t know if it’s just me, but for the people I’m around, Twitter barely exists, and yet careers are being destroyed willy-nilly over...what?
I can see how Twitter can suck you in, but it seems like nothing but bad things can happen there. Did anyone ever wake up and say, “thank goodness I tweeted my opinion about that thing last night”? And yet it draws us in over and over again.
Sorry to ramble, but I appreciate the chance to talk about a show I enjoy so much!
You'd be surprised how much offense people took to that Atlantic article. But Twitter is an offense-finding machine. "Looking for excuses to be outraged online" seems like a fair description of culture these days. Glad to have you at our party. -- SH
Thanatos, Thanos, Theranos 😂
So refreshing to hear some nimble and ready emotional intelligence, unbridled enthusiasm, curiosity, heart, and warm voices developing a rhythm together. One highlight is the vignetted love triangle with San Francisco.
Also Teal Swan? I used to watch her videos a few years back mainly bc she’s so beautiful and seemed sure of herself to the point of smiling at weird moments.
The Boudin segment provides good texture and dimension to his ousting.
And the thing about letting some other sap host the current hate/rage/virtue mob and just stepping out into the sun instead, for example, was 👌🏼.
I'm listening now to an interview with the director of The Deep End:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-487-the-deep-end-teal-swan-docuseries-director-jon/id1154758766?i=1000562725395
Worth the time - he mentions that he discussed the possibility that Teal Swan might not like the final product, and she went ahead with it. According to him, she is unapologetic about her approach and has no self-doubt. That's certainly what you see in the documentary.
I’ve heard several takes on the Sonmez debacle this week, but yours was by far the most empathetic.
Agree with Nancy. Some version of “This cop I dated” should be on the bingo card.😄
And of course, “failure to name the podcast in the first 5 minutes” should also get a spot on the Bingo card. Hahaha!
Definitely
So Im not into the Teal Swan thing as a topic, however I will say I still enjoy listening to you 2 talk like to life long best buds about any topic. Reminds me of my morning coffee talks with my best friend when I visit home. Also, not a significant topic, but - though I too am an AAer, I’d never heard the “Rejection is God’s protection” slogan, but I know the sentiment well. I’ve been telling my wife for many years. I’m so flipping glad all those previous relationships I wanted so bad and fought for so hard did not work out, because I wouldn’t have found her. I know, I know - ridiculously sappy. Anyway- that line struck a very meaningful chord for me. Lastly (not from this episode) looks like y’all are gonna have an opportunity for Heard-Depp redux.
Notes for #18... another good show title, BTW
I gotta praise the show notes yet again. They are sending me down rabbit holes I didn't know about. And also my book queue is getting longer..
Nancy's "Us and Them" -- the dateline is from 1999, which is in the internet era, yes, but that is a long time ago in Internet time. How fortunate that it's online today for me to read, instead of behind a paywall or buried in print or on microfilm in a few libraries here and there. Worth a read especially after hearing Nancy talk about it here.
"Hit on the Head" -- gosh, this is good writing. Oh man. A link at the end of this story led me to "Every woman should travel alone" - another good story, with a reference to "Wild" by Cheryl Strayed. Sarah, perhaps a podcast where you talk about that road trip would be worthwhile. I love road trips. I've mentioned that a friend recommended this book and I see I listened to it via Audible.com back in 2012. I've downloaded that for a re-listen. And I've already been re-listening to "To the Bridge", which was my introduction to Nancy thanks to an interview with Katherine Mangu-Ward, I think? I see I got that in summer of 2018.
And I already have had "Blackout" queued up on Audible for a few weeks, but not yet started. And now I just purchased and downloaded "The Snakehead", so I have a lot of audiobook listening coming up. I do love audiobooks.
Teal Swan - "The Deep End" -- I am not going to watch that and I appreciate you watching it so I don't have to. I have to wonder -- as a birdwatcher -- how and where did she get that bird-heavy name? Lots of different swans and there are several common varieties of teal ducks.
Holy Moly. Teal Swan. And your discussion of The Deep End and this woman and all of the characters involved has been mind blowing. A fantastic dive into all of it. I first heard of teal swan a few years back when my daughter was listening to her YouTubes which now terrifies me a little bit and makes me wonder if she ( my daughter) is still listening and if she knows about this documentary.
I am obsessed.
What will Teal do about this expose?
I await the next chapter of any of these stories.
I lived in SF for 9 years before moving to NYC in 2020. Loved my life there, btw. Just wanted a change. Anyway, I visited some friends there this past October and was punched in the back of the head on BART by an older gentleman who seemed to be homeless and was muttering to himself. It was maybe 9pm and I had just gotten off my flight. I didn’t want to pay the $100 surging Uber ride into the city, and thought it should still be a fairly safe hour to take public transit. Did I call the cops or anyone? No. I honestly just wanted to get out of there and not cause trouble. He went to sleep on a bench after a couple of us told him hitting was not ok. But now I realize I should have done something more. What if he hurt someone else after me and I could have helped prevented it? The strangest thing was this train car was fairly crowded and while people asked if I was ok, we all went back to our phones within five minutes.
Ditto to Nancy on SJ activists having the ability to destroy, but having yet to prove they can produce anything worthwhile. Walked the dog this morning in my local park in Minneapolis while listening to this and there was a sticker that said “Burn Precincts 2024” stuck to a lightpost... Like OK we all get it you love to destroy shit and burn things down- now what are you going to build?! Woodworking, knitting, baking, gardening- all great meaning makers that don’t involve noxious sloganeering or copping a felony, folks!