Linda Evangelista's cover of Vogue sparks debate over beauty and fantasy. Also: What is going on with "quiet quitting"? Is "House of Dragons" worth it? And how did Andrew Dice Clay get memory-holed?
Really enjoyed the portion about business and employees. :-)
There are a growing number of issues in the workplace based on one fundamental misunderstanding in our society: Reality can't be ignored or overcome by sheer desire. Reality wins. Reality ALWAYS wins... (eventually.)
It is a bit of the Tortoise and the Hare story. Reality just slowly chugs along... while jacked-up crazies go flying by at full speed asserting zany ideas that eventually end with an ugly crash into the wall of reality. At which point, reality slowly passes them by on the road of life while they lay dazed and confused in the wreckage of their well-intentioned, but completely insane post-modern constructivist theories.
Folks just needed to stay grounded in how things work in the reality. So many examples right now it's kind of amazing. Great talk.
Another thing is that governments / bureaucrats keep adding things that businesses have to report on or keep track of -- the big companies just hire another lawyer/accountant/manager to do it, but that just makes it more difficult for the small business to keep going.
Can you see me fist-pumping to Nancy's ay yi yi moments? Apparently I'm also a choice feminist. Like, let's not bag on women for taking their spouse's name or getting a boob job or shaving their legs. Shaving my legs is not the equivalent of being stoned in public for exposing my face.
Delightful as always to have an episode posted just minutes before my morning walk!
I am a dude and I definitely don't remember Linda Evangelista, even though I remember the 90s very well.
I tend to follow what's going on with the weather -- Dallas got some serious amounts of rain -- 10-15 inches in a short period is what I heard about, which would cause severe problems, drought or not.
Tornadoes are the weather that worries me the most in Central Ohio. Scary and unpredictable and very destructive. But if it doesn't have tornado potential, a great big thunder and lightning storm is something magnificent to behold.
When I lived on the west coast, it was earthquakes. The Seattle Feb 28 2001 earthquake was the scariest one for me; seemed like it would never end (in reality, maybe 30 seconds).
Oh -- it was mentioned that the coastal cliffs along the Pacific Ocean are eroding. They have always been doing this. I grew up in San Diego and the Sunset Cliffs area is infamous for this, many places are. Which reminds me -- growing up on the west coast which is beaches and cliffs and lots of elevation, i.e., you can often see the coastline before you get there -- most of the east coast is so different -- the approach is flat and then there is a sand dune in the way before you get to the beach. The only area that seems remotely similar is someplace like Maine, otherwise it's so different. The east coast has the Intracoastal Waterway for most of the coastline; something like that is impossible along the west coast.
I for one would appreciate links to anything/everything y'all publish! I think I have a good handle on what Nancy is doing, i.e., Make More Pie, Paloma Media, and Reason, but I don't seem to see Sarah's stuff. So - links appreciated and maybe post links on Twitter, too.
So much in this episode I want to engage with! I loved Nancy’s mini rant about choice feminism.
Sarah reminded me when she mentioned she had always struggled with her weight that I was going to post on the open thread. I have a gap in my front teeth and love it. I never wanted it fixed. I’ve also always struggled with my weight. I was not blessed with a fast metabolism or indifference towards food. Early on I learned to appreciate that struggle. I knew I wouldn’t hit a certain age and all of a sudden be shocked that my metabolism slowed down. I wouldn’t have to learn to eat healthy and exercise. It would already be my lifestyle.
Also, 100% a Nancy problem.
Loved the episode. It leads me to ask this question: Are we living during the most annoying time?
"So much in this episode ..." -- I agree, which is why I'm pretty much always listening to them twice, 'cause I can't remember everything I want to comment on (I'm usually on a walk).
I appreciate your comment. And -- "Are we living during the most annoying time?" -- it's awfully temping to say YES, because - gosh, things are pretty annoying right now. But people have been annoying for a really long time.
I've occasionally said to folks younger than me that -- you may think it's bad now, but you weren't around in, e.g., 1968, when there were multiple assassinations, riots, wars, very close election, OMG - it was bad. And then I remember that I was young then (high school) and there was bad stuff way before that. I wonder what my currently aged self would have thought about 1968 vs what I thought about it then.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around "quiet quitting" and why it's bugging me. Maybe there really is a generational difference, at least for the people who are really online. Does having such a digital life mean that past human experience isn't relevant? Have they talked to their parents, read "Death of a Salesman"? Are they sincere or (and/or) is this a start to monetizing?
I have been meaning to comment for days. But my job and Spoiled Dog have made it hard. Ok. I have to say that this NYC summer has been one of the better ones of the past few years. No torrential rainstorms. Only a few days above 90. Only 1 week of brutally hot weather. Not too bad compared to other years. Anyhoo. I am off tp the Jersey shore next week. Haven't gone since I was a kid.
It is funny, referring to Jezebel as a feminist website. I remember when the site launched and I started reading it not too long after. And they explicitly referred to themselves as not a feminist site, even though they basically were. Anyway. I despise them at this point and just...no.
As for what Nancy said about Choice Feminism and Radical Feminism. While I agree that it is extremely patronizing to act as though someone doesn't know what choice they made, I think it IS helpful to think about why we make certain choices, why we like what we like. As in. We like to shave our legs. It is interesting that we like to do something that conforms to beauty standards. And maybe we would like shaving even if fashion said hairy legs were in. And maybe we don't care. However. I think being aware of the social benefits of liking what we like - that can be a helpful exercise.
Also. There has been this thing with Choice Feminism that if a woman makes the choice, it is feminist. Like. No. Or that everything a feminist does is inherently feminist.
As for Victoria's Secret. I wonder. I think we are told to be more inclusive but beauty is inherently exclusive. And I bet that the VS Fashion shows still had pretty high views. And I bet sales were still decent. But people on Twitter dod not like it, and while they may not be representative of most people, they are loud. Very loud.
I saw this documentary from like 2007 and an editor of a woman's magazine said that people do not want to see fat women. Sales stop when they put them on a magazine. Has that changed? Or perhaps social justice is so imperative that it is more important than sales.
Also, I watched episode 1 of "There Be Dragons" before bed and it totally led to violent street fighting dreams for me.
I love discussing GoT shows, but how do you guys cope with the clunky expository dialogue? It irritates me so much that I can't enjoy the embroidered frocks!
Really enjoyed the portion about business and employees. :-)
There are a growing number of issues in the workplace based on one fundamental misunderstanding in our society: Reality can't be ignored or overcome by sheer desire. Reality wins. Reality ALWAYS wins... (eventually.)
It is a bit of the Tortoise and the Hare story. Reality just slowly chugs along... while jacked-up crazies go flying by at full speed asserting zany ideas that eventually end with an ugly crash into the wall of reality. At which point, reality slowly passes them by on the road of life while they lay dazed and confused in the wreckage of their well-intentioned, but completely insane post-modern constructivist theories.
Folks just needed to stay grounded in how things work in the reality. So many examples right now it's kind of amazing. Great talk.
Another thing is that governments / bureaucrats keep adding things that businesses have to report on or keep track of -- the big companies just hire another lawyer/accountant/manager to do it, but that just makes it more difficult for the small business to keep going.
Can you see me fist-pumping to Nancy's ay yi yi moments? Apparently I'm also a choice feminist. Like, let's not bag on women for taking their spouse's name or getting a boob job or shaving their legs. Shaving my legs is not the equivalent of being stoned in public for exposing my face.
I wake up to a new episode from y’all, Phetasy’s interview of James Kirchick, and Bari’s interview of Bill Barr. Not sure where to start!
Oooh that's a tough one, but a bounty that will last you for a while. -- SH
Delightful as always to have an episode posted just minutes before my morning walk!
I am a dude and I definitely don't remember Linda Evangelista, even though I remember the 90s very well.
I tend to follow what's going on with the weather -- Dallas got some serious amounts of rain -- 10-15 inches in a short period is what I heard about, which would cause severe problems, drought or not.
Tornadoes are the weather that worries me the most in Central Ohio. Scary and unpredictable and very destructive. But if it doesn't have tornado potential, a great big thunder and lightning storm is something magnificent to behold.
When I lived on the west coast, it was earthquakes. The Seattle Feb 28 2001 earthquake was the scariest one for me; seemed like it would never end (in reality, maybe 30 seconds).
Oh -- it was mentioned that the coastal cliffs along the Pacific Ocean are eroding. They have always been doing this. I grew up in San Diego and the Sunset Cliffs area is infamous for this, many places are. Which reminds me -- growing up on the west coast which is beaches and cliffs and lots of elevation, i.e., you can often see the coastline before you get there -- most of the east coast is so different -- the approach is flat and then there is a sand dune in the way before you get to the beach. The only area that seems remotely similar is someplace like Maine, otherwise it's so different. The east coast has the Intracoastal Waterway for most of the coastline; something like that is impossible along the west coast.
I for one would appreciate links to anything/everything y'all publish! I think I have a good handle on what Nancy is doing, i.e., Make More Pie, Paloma Media, and Reason, but I don't seem to see Sarah's stuff. So - links appreciated and maybe post links on Twitter, too.
Thank you for another nice walk + conversation..
So much in this episode I want to engage with! I loved Nancy’s mini rant about choice feminism.
Sarah reminded me when she mentioned she had always struggled with her weight that I was going to post on the open thread. I have a gap in my front teeth and love it. I never wanted it fixed. I’ve also always struggled with my weight. I was not blessed with a fast metabolism or indifference towards food. Early on I learned to appreciate that struggle. I knew I wouldn’t hit a certain age and all of a sudden be shocked that my metabolism slowed down. I wouldn’t have to learn to eat healthy and exercise. It would already be my lifestyle.
Also, 100% a Nancy problem.
Loved the episode. It leads me to ask this question: Are we living during the most annoying time?
❤️
"So much in this episode ..." -- I agree, which is why I'm pretty much always listening to them twice, 'cause I can't remember everything I want to comment on (I'm usually on a walk).
I appreciate your comment. And -- "Are we living during the most annoying time?" -- it's awfully temping to say YES, because - gosh, things are pretty annoying right now. But people have been annoying for a really long time.
I've occasionally said to folks younger than me that -- you may think it's bad now, but you weren't around in, e.g., 1968, when there were multiple assassinations, riots, wars, very close election, OMG - it was bad. And then I remember that I was young then (high school) and there was bad stuff way before that. I wonder what my currently aged self would have thought about 1968 vs what I thought about it then.
But it's definitely pretty annoying right now!
"If you don't remember Linda Evangelista, you're probably a dude." Yep.
Floods in Texas always make me think of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC5H9P4F5Uk
And yes, the idea of paleness == nobility up to about WW1 was a thing. The change to tans being fashionable is attributed to Coco Chanel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Chanel#:~:text=In%20an%20outdoor,%3A%E2%80%8A138%E2%80%9339
Yes! Or Buddy Guy's Feels Like Rain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClpR3fOKPRA
I'm still trying to wrap my head around "quiet quitting" and why it's bugging me. Maybe there really is a generational difference, at least for the people who are really online. Does having such a digital life mean that past human experience isn't relevant? Have they talked to their parents, read "Death of a Salesman"? Are they sincere or (and/or) is this a start to monetizing?
I have been meaning to comment for days. But my job and Spoiled Dog have made it hard. Ok. I have to say that this NYC summer has been one of the better ones of the past few years. No torrential rainstorms. Only a few days above 90. Only 1 week of brutally hot weather. Not too bad compared to other years. Anyhoo. I am off tp the Jersey shore next week. Haven't gone since I was a kid.
It is funny, referring to Jezebel as a feminist website. I remember when the site launched and I started reading it not too long after. And they explicitly referred to themselves as not a feminist site, even though they basically were. Anyway. I despise them at this point and just...no.
As for what Nancy said about Choice Feminism and Radical Feminism. While I agree that it is extremely patronizing to act as though someone doesn't know what choice they made, I think it IS helpful to think about why we make certain choices, why we like what we like. As in. We like to shave our legs. It is interesting that we like to do something that conforms to beauty standards. And maybe we would like shaving even if fashion said hairy legs were in. And maybe we don't care. However. I think being aware of the social benefits of liking what we like - that can be a helpful exercise.
Also. There has been this thing with Choice Feminism that if a woman makes the choice, it is feminist. Like. No. Or that everything a feminist does is inherently feminist.
As for Victoria's Secret. I wonder. I think we are told to be more inclusive but beauty is inherently exclusive. And I bet that the VS Fashion shows still had pretty high views. And I bet sales were still decent. But people on Twitter dod not like it, and while they may not be representative of most people, they are loud. Very loud.
I saw this documentary from like 2007 and an editor of a woman's magazine said that people do not want to see fat women. Sales stop when they put them on a magazine. Has that changed? Or perhaps social justice is so imperative that it is more important than sales.
Also, I watched episode 1 of "There Be Dragons" before bed and it totally led to violent street fighting dreams for me.
I love discussing GoT shows, but how do you guys cope with the clunky expository dialogue? It irritates me so much that I can't enjoy the embroidered frocks!