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62: Stephen Elliott and the Power of Women
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62: Stephen Elliott and the Power of Women

It's International Women's Day! We celebrate with flowers, a chat with the writer who just settled his "Shitty Media Men" lawsuit (for six figures). Plus: Chris Rock, Toronto Raptors, and Nancy's AI!
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Stephen Elliott

It’s International Women’s Day, and Sarah brought flowers. #Equity flowers. The journalistas discuss whether “women writer” is a valuable identity and then welcome guest Stephen Elliott (who is many things but not a woman). Once a celebrated author and the founder of The Rumpus, Elliott is better known these days as the man who sued “Shitty Media Men” creator Moira Donegan, a lawsuit he recently settled. Elliott was raised in group homes, and he says his legal action came from a moral obligation to fight a list he characterized as a “false accusation machine.” Donegan pledged never to apologize, a promise she kept, but the eventual settlement ran into the six figures. Elliott opens up about the danger of anonymous accusations, the pain of losing deep friendships, why nobody remembers joining a mob, and the strange freedom that comes with literary exile. As he says, “You can’t be canceled twice.”

In the bonus: Nancy’s AI reads her ChatGPT. The Toronto Raptors basketball team celebrate Women’s History Month — and promise to do better. Chris Rock splits Twitter, lights up Netflix, and what does “misogynoir” mean? Sarah thinks Nancy just started a beef with Chris Rock; Nancy claims they’re all good (weigh in, commenters!). Hot boxes include a documentary on the Sarah Lawrence con man, Matt Welch’s questionable advice for dealing with a bear, and a message for the ladies on this international day in our honor: Women have astonishing power that they often choose to abdicate. Forces are working against everyone, but a smart woman knows how to use what she has. Another way to say that? Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.

#Equity flowers in the pink neon of Sarah’s closet, er, recording studio.

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